It's a Knockout format

[jeffdos924]

Every plays with starter clubs from Ranked tees? ... definite advantage for the lower tiered player, Harve. We'd both be looking at 220 yrd drives, but the pro gets the advatage of the closer tees.
My suggestion was, and still is ... if the 3-hole knockout is going to be played in the practise mode, then all players should use the starter clubs( 1 very simple rule .. no confusions, no arguments).Only limiting the master from using the master driver/ 3w helps to even the field, but if i can still use the better irons ( Raptures v. starters) the advantage would still be mine by at least 1 club.
Playing ranked/scored rounds with whatever equipment you want to use is terrific option, too. Yes, you lose the randomness.. so what? .Playing ranked/scored would also have the "sudden death" built in ... much better than having to set up a match over & over.

[Faterson]

Why not equalize the playing field as much as possible?

Why buy advanced equipment and then be forbidden from using it in a weekly tournament?

Sorry, guys, you're making mountains out of molehills. Here is one extremely simple rule: when players of unequal tiers meet in a 3-hole match, don't let the higher-tiered player use his/her exclusive driver & 3-wood. Let both of them use the starter driver & 3-wood, if they wish.

That's it. Extremely simple. No arguments. No ambiguity. And because of this, you now want everyone to play always only with the starter equipment, including Master vs. Master games, Pro vs. Pro games? You even want to abolish the exciting random 3 holes aspect of the game, and want us to play always only on the first 3 holes of any given set?

I apologize, but that strikes me as extremely irrational! What a massive overreaction, guys!

no confusions, no arguments

Any confusions and arguments are only in your imagination, Jeff. The 2 rules as proposed in this thread are crystal-clear, preventing any arguments and ambiguity whatsoever.

Only limiting the master from using the master driver/ 3w helps to even the field, but if i can still use the better irons ( Raptures v. starters) the advantage would still be mine by at least 1 club.

Just what do you mean, Jeff? Any Pro player can use that Rapture club. You'd have to abolish all Ranked rounds as well, if you followed this extreme logic. I may live in a third-world country and not be able to afford even 20 cents to buy a BX-D ball.

Yes, you lose the randomness.. so what?

"So what?" You gotta be kidding, Jeff. This game has been suffering terribly through lack of variety (always only the same 36 holes), and you want to reduce that variety even further, by forcing us to play the same 12 holes over and over again? Sorry, that strikes me as totally absurd. (As I already said yesterday.)

Playing ranked/scored would also have the "sudden death" built in ... much better than having to set up a match over & over.

You can't be serious. It's a matter of seconds to launch yet another 3-hole round. To save a few seconds, you want us to play on the same 12 holes over and over again, instead of on all 36 holes?

I'm dumbfounded. And I gotta run, I wrote this forum post in a terrible rush, so please don't complain the post isn't politically correct enough, not roundabout enough in what it wants to say.

[Mwh65]

Can I squeeze in a question here, as I don't know the answer.

With regard to the Starter Driver and Starter 3-wood, are these two able to be removed from your bag of clubs ?

[Faterson]

With regard to the Starter Driver and Starter 3-wood, are these two able to be removed from your bag of clubs ?

No, these two clubs are always available for every player.

[Mwh65]

Excellent

So can we create a 3-hole It's a Knockout tourney allowing only the use of those 2 clubs, plus irons and putter knowing that all players will still have them ?

[Faterson]

We could, Mark, but it would still be an unnecessary overreaction.

Why prohibit players to use their usual equipment? It doesn't make sense. It only makes sense for 3-hole games between players from unequal tiers.

Let's not mess around in any way with Master vs. Master, Pro vs. Pro games Those are perfectly OK as they are. Let's not create problems and chaos where there are no problems. If a Master player also possesses the Rapture driver, why force him to use the starter driver? Let the starter equipment be the last fallback, last resort, if players are unhappy with the other options — let's not make it the default requirement. That is my proposal, and it is summarized in the 2 rules on the preceding page.

[jeffdos924]

My last words on this topic..( i hope). Opinions were asked for and i gave mine a couple of times to be told that they were absurd and that's fine ... i thought it was a more than viable option and wouldn't be as ill-received as some might think. I f we go forward with the mini knockout ( which is a great idea), I will use the starters against any lower-tiered player that i might be paired with. I used to shoot good numbers with them.. that IS how i got to master, anyhow. These tournaments are more about having fun than winning them and i would rather play when i sign up than to try to figure out what the other guy has in his bag.
Jeff

[Faterson]

Please don't be offended, Jeff... These forum posts are written in the midst of other duties and there just isn't time to word them ultra-extra-diplomatically.

As to "figuring out what the other guy has in his bag", you'd never have to! After all, you're a Master player. The only thing would be, if the draw pairs you with a Pro opponent, you couldn't use your Master-only driver and 3-wood. You could always ignore whatever clubs the Pro player uses. Can there be anything simpler?

[hbthree]

Perhaps you miss Jeff's point. My read of his post is that he will require use of the starter clubs with any opponent in a lesser tier, so as to avoid any question about equity of clubs...I agree, as I would choose the same solution....Afterall many Masters don't have but two drivers and and two 3woods....those being there Master Tier woods and their Starter woods....HB3

[Faterson]

No problem with that. That is the rule no. 2 proposed on the previous page: if the higher-tiered player so wishes, he may require for the game to be played with starter equipment on both sides. The main thing is, this would only happen sometimes (in games between players from unequal tiers), and only if the higher-tiered player requested for this to happen.

My plea, in short: let's not make the use of any starter equipment the default requirement.